Thanks for your reply. But if I can already get the e-commerce plan for $27/month directly on your site where’s the incentive for me to participate in this deal?

I get that you want to be fair to your existing customers but this is one of those situations where you can’t have it both ways.

However, one way you could be fair to your current customer base is let them know about the deal. That way, it’s up to them whether to continue paying the $27/month or go with a better deal on a lump sum payment along with a much smaller subscription fee for e-commerce in the future—if they even need e-commerce.

We on appsumo, on the other hand, are mostly using these types of services for commercial purposes, which means our aim is to earn an income. So, making us pay $25 a month when we’ve already purchased the deal doesn’t help.

Perhaps at $10 or $15 I’d be all in with you.

But if I’m going to pay you an additional 25 a month, I might as well go to an ALREADY established vendor (like the or three who alreaady ran successful Appsumo deals but are now running their own Black Friday deals through their website) whose roadmap is further along than yours and pay them $25+ a month knowing they’re ALREADY proven AND ALREADY have ecommerce/memberships features. So, I don’t have to wait for a next release to WOW my clients.

Hi Ben,
Thank you for your questions, the time you put into writing them and the knowledge you gave us! I will answer all of them here.
I can assure you that we are always listening to you and either explaining some functions. Because as you can see, not everything is understood, and sometimes Sumolings do not know that they already have something, OR we make changes to the offer itself. We have already made 3 such changes/clarifications.
We have been working with BOWWE for years and, unfortunately, sometimes some functions seem obvious to us, and you don't know our product yet, so you don't know you have it and we explain not in the easiest way...
So, this is what we exactly did, as in one of your suggestions, "Perhaps, for a limited time you can offer domain limit upgrades" we came up with this or a similar solution and allowed Sumolings to make domain changes without limits for the first 3 years.

I follow offers on and off AppSumo. I don't want to sound critical (sorry if I do, I'm not an English Native), but I really want to know your point of view and how you see the competition here on AppSumo or outside. Hence, I will be very grateful if you send me some competitors or their offers by e-mail (support@bowwe.com) in the field of Landing Page and Website and some in the area of eCommerce. If you have such an offer that combines these three possibilities (LP, website, eCommerce), as is the case with BOWWE. This will also help us understand your perception and maybe give you an interesting idea of what we can change.

Nevertheless, at the moment, after our SUBJECTIVE analysis, I consider it to be by the best value for quality, product development phase and safety, that the team will not disappear and then it will not be LTD.

In terms of our Roadmap, I will add that it is worth looking into its details and how the functions work. Because this is the essence. It's very easy to write that you have a function that barely works, the builder itself is working against the rules (it is showing excellent designs but spaghetti code and builds websites against the coding rules), or the editing is very limited...
I suggest this because I know you feel like we're in a different place. We have been on the market for the longest time and with the largest team from the offers we are talking about, I think but maybe I don't know something.

I am referring to "But if I can already get the e-commerce plan for $ 27 / month directly on your site where's the incentive for me to participate in this deal?".
The thing is that eCommerce is not in our current offer, it's not yet available on BOWWE. We wanted to be transparent, and we stated what will be the cost of its inclusion in the future if you already have purchased a website or landing page Plan.
Because BOWWE will allow you to include eCommerce in any of our products. But eCommerce is itself a separate BOWWE product. So does landing page, website, Micro page or CV, and each of these products has its own plan.

The main reasons why eCommerce (and AppBuilder) are not included in this AppSumo offer are:
* We do not have a pricelist built yet - so we do not know what exactly would be on offer - eCommerce plans will be separate ...
* We do not have enough data to be able to determine the level of the offer appropriately and fairly for you - we are not able to predict the operating costs associated with the average eCommerce, i.e. how much costs:
* necessary updates, e.g. resulting from legal and tax changes or changes in the API due to omnichannel - these are the costs of maintaining the application (not its development)
* customer service costs (service) using our eCommerce
* online payment handling costs (or even if there will be costs associated with them)
* we do not know if it will be necessary to introduce small fees on the turnover, many players do it, and You and Sumolings would certainly not like the introduction of such additional costs
* other costs that I cannot see myself yet

In addition, we do not want to promise that something will be paid in such a way and then tie our hands to it in terms of the business model. Then apologize to all Sumolings and explain what and how. Which would also expose us to allegations of dishonesty, hate etc ...

In such a situation, we are not able to give this offer today and be verbal, which is inconsistent with my business ethics - because I never promise something that has too many unknowns, and the chance that something will not work out is huge.

These are the main reasons, and I am looking for a solution to them. Maybe if you manage to send me these examples, something will inspire me.

Thank you very much,
Karol

Hi Karol,

Thank you for your response. I really appreciate you wanting to see things from the buyer's perspective. Not everyone is willing to do that.

Also, it's understood that ecommerce is not part of this offer but what I'm looking at is that at the tier 3 level, if I purchase during the Black Friday deal my investment is $234. That gets me the CV, standard websites, landing and micro pages. But the problem is ecommerce and membership are in high demand right now.

So, I'd still need another solution for ecommerce and membership. Which means if I got this deal, I'd want ecommerce too but at $25/mth - it's just $2 less than your website pricing of $27/mth. That's a savings of $24/year. Except with the initial investment of $234 it would take 10 years to actually realize those savings.

So, the math just doesn't work. It's like the desire to be fair to your existing clients is forcing you to put much more financial burden on your Appsumo buyers.

Plus, when you start talking about anything over $15/mth for subscription - that immediately puts you in the same league with players like Duda, Simvoly (former Appsumo deal), Webwave (former Appsumo deal), Yovale, etc. but those guys all have well-developed ecommerce platforms and two of them even have whitelabel billing options.

As far as current Appsumo deals, the two that are probably most comparable to what you're doing are Phonesites and especially Jemi. Phonesites is more geared towards funnels but Jemi focuses on memberships and ecommerce.

Re: your offering... what appeals to me is the pages look clean and seem to load quickly. And based on the roadmap it also looks like you're headed in the direction of offering value to agencies that sell or resell websites to clients. The microsites and CVs are more like bonuses than "must-haves" because I've never had a client ask for either.

Maybe if the micro pages were branded as digital business cards that might interest some of my clients but as a whole they're small businesses who are approaching their website as an investment.

Be that as it may, the AS Black Friday deal ends in a few days and since there are also other product categories on my wishlist I'm only going with one builder - not two. But the $25 a month for your future ecommerce offering, has me strongly considering one of the options outside of Appsumo or possibly investigating Jemi a bit more closely.

If you were able to figure something out within the next few days, I'd much rather go with Bowwe - but it's gotta make financial sense. Otherwise, it would be difficult to justify the investment. Hope that makes more sense. Thanks again!

Hi Ben,
So the customer and user perspectives are critical to us. With this project and the previous one, I have much over 1000 meetings with people like you and entrepreneurs. The idea for BOWWE was born in me and the problems that you noticed there.

From the very first day, we have been developing BOWWE with people like you, but I must admit that my at least 1000 meetings are nothing compared to the chance that AppSumo gives us to talk with you, among others. I see a great variety of experiences here, which I, unfortunately, did not have a chance to reach before. Thank you!

I am now working very hard to meet your expectations, also in terms of mathematics.

We'd love to jump into these comparisons regarding what you say about different players and the price level (I don't want to sound immodest or too confident). I have made these comparisons, and I am sure of our AppSumo offer. Unfortunately, not everyone has that much time, and it is not in everyone's interest (at least in the short term) to make such a comparison. I wish you had it and other Sumolings would have so much time ;-)

Regarding the microsite, it is an excellent product to campaigns in social media and generate high conversions in them:
* The product is visually very interesting, thanks to which it fits the nature and dynamics of social media, standing out perfectly and attracting attention
* is extremely fast to build - seriously often 5 minutes is enough
* the possibility of including any content, application, integration, ... i.e. immediate implementation of the CTA related to a given campaign
* ROI with micropages looks amazing

BUT this is the fact that customers do not ask you about it. We have the same experiences and feedback from our partners. In my opinion, it is because they are not aware of it. Only after presenting the product, showing how beautiful and exciting it looks on the mobile screen and opening it, e.g. on Instagram, we have a WOW Moment and reflection of customers - not always a purchase :-)

Ben - stay in touch and updated, tell you ;-)

And thank you very much for the examples. I am working for you and other Sumolings
Karol

Hi again Karol, thank you for another thoughtful response. I’d like to share something with you. Although I was very tempted to go with another solution, I’m glad my patience allowed me to wait for your response.

I sincerely appreciate the fact that you’re willing to hear what fellow sumolings and myself have to say. In the end, that’s really what this is about is hearing each other.

That said, I’ll be going with the max stack with Bowwe and look forward to being able to carry out whatever upgrade you and your team work out in the future.

Also, I have an additional insight to share with you later today. Think you’ll find it interesting. Thanks again! 👍🏾

Hi Ben,
I'm thrilled to hear it! Thank you for your trust and belief in BOWWE!

Of course, I would like to hear more of your insights!

And remember, if you need any help, contact us - we will help you realize the best projects!

THANK YOU,
Karol

Hi Karol, this is my first post to this thread, after purchasing (3 stacks) the Bowwe deal. I haven’t had a chance to take Bowwe for a spin yet, but when I do, you can count on me leaving a thorough and honest review.

Also, I emailed you as well. But in a nutshell, the focus of the message was to encourage you and your team to find opportunities to “flip the funnel”, i.e., just because an Appsumo buyer has purchased all three tiers of your deal, does not mean this will be their last purchase with you.

The Appsumo deal can be a vehicle you use to create a community around your core offering. This tool can help grow your business in a counter-intuitive way—by intently focusing on the needs of your community of buyers.

If you’re able to do that, you should be able to offset any short-term “near-losses” you experience as a result of the deeply discounted Appsumo deal.

Hi BenB1!
We are glad to hear you decided to purchase the BOWWE deal!
I hope you like what our team has been working on, and we are, of course, awaiting your honest feedback.
We are always open to any suggestions from our clients and consider them valuable to our development. We will reply to your email as soon as it is possible.
All the best,
Martyna

Hello Ben,
it is exactly as you say - we want to build a community of Creators around BOWWE, be in constant contact with it, and be partners. That is, work together on BOWWE, the community determines their needs, evaluates our ideas and solutions, and BOWWE implements and improves them all the time.

(Additionally) It is very difficult to reflect our view of the world here, and I would not like to bore you and other Sumolings, but I believe that this gives a deep understanding:
Our mission is to deliver Growth: for YOU, and for your CLIENTS, and thanks to this to BOWWE.

The situation must be Win-Win-Win (not only You Win and BOWWE Wins). Examples of things that result from this:
* BOWWE must build high-quality code like a professional Developer AND Designer (clean code means speed, responsiveness, limitlessness, scalability, Very good SEO, low cost of advertising campaigns, high conversion)
* BOWWE cannot be limited - it has to be a real builder, not a limited configurator (these are two completely different things but quite often looks the same)
* these 2 above features mean that UX / UI for many years of our work must be more complex than other tools, and I think that it is still a bit, but soon it will not be - that's why: SUMOLINGS IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WRITE TO US WE WILL DO TRAINING/WEBINAR/DEMO FOR YOU. I'M SURE YOU WILL BE POSITIVELY SURPRISED THAT YOU WILL DO MUCH MORE AND MUCH BETTER THAN BEFORE
* That's why building BOWWE took 7.5 years for our team (currently 34 people), not ~ 2 years like other builders/configurators
* That's why we have a completely different foundation (solid) and, for example, we can have a Web and Mobile App Builder without changing anything in BOWWE
* BUT That is why we are less known
* AND That is why we need a community of creators around BOWWE that will promote us, show their beautiful and professional products, talk about above-average results, talk about us and recommend us

Certainly, not everything is perfect in BOWWE, but we are going there, and in 7.5 years, we haven't given up, so we will get there!

I invite you to grow Together YOU - your CLIENTS - BOWWE

I posted a review not too long ago and after reviewing the responses from you and your team regarding ecommerce, I think this might be the deal breaker for me. No need to explain how amazing the platform is. I know this already and most of us get it. It's costly and a bit more to it when we talk ecommerce. However, all we care about is buying a deal that comes with everything including ecommerce. Of course the other deals on this site in regards to web building is different from what you guys offer but we see things differently.

I bought this deal because I want my site to speed up and avoid using wordpress but now the returned deal with Zion is looking pretty good. It's not cloud based but fresh code under their hood versus Elementor which could potentially speedup my site and have ecommerce available to me by default via woocommerce. All I paid for via hosting is $180 for 4 years versus $25 per month for ecommerce with you for $1,200 in 4 years.

Hi Kevn,
Thank you for the information and feedback in which you show your thinking and needs and show alternatives. It is all essential and precious.

We are now fighting to provide you with high-class eCommerce as quickly as possible. We want to appreciate all Sumolongs who purchase this deal by offering future discounts for all eCommerce and AppBuilder plans. The value of the discount will be 50%.

We are huge fans of cloud solutions because they allow customers to focus on developing their business and for us to naturally create an exceptional partner relationship with our customers. Because customers, taking care of their interests, inform us about their ideas, improvements, and needs. When it meets our mission of delivering growth to our customers and users, we get the perfect match

Best,
Karol

Hello BenB,
If you are interested in creating unlimited landing pages - we prepared a special video showing how to add them. I think it might be helpful for you, that's why I'm sending you a link:

https://share.getcloudapp.com/z8u1gyek#

Enjoy,
Ela

Hi BenB!

You can integrate your site with INSTAGRAM!

LOOK AT VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=741OdBjD6tY